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I've been looking at both of these amps for some time and was wondering what peoples opinion is on them for funeral doom like Mournful Congregation.

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Looks way too many knobs for stuff that a Laney AOR is ideal for.

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Mr. Foxen wrote:
Looks way too many knobs for stuff that a Laney AOR is ideal for.


I wasn't asking for a visual analysis of how many knobs were involved. I was more curious as to which amp would sound more organic in making funeral doom.

And this curiosity is engineered towards people with experience with either amp.
Not for someone who saw a picture of it and decided it had too many knobs.

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very rare i feel the need to post here but maybe you should try looking at a few of Mr.Foxens other posts before acting the high horse prick, the guy has probably forgotten more about amps than you'll ever know . Try looking up the meaning of the word organic as well.
Too many knobs indeed, certainly one too many posting here
might be an idea to look up Laney AOR as well
http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/show ... AOR-series
pretty much sums it up, good enough for Iommi, good enough for doom
Maybe you should justrename this thread 'dumb fuck has too much money'


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Invader is an awesome amp but probably not what you are looking for. Engl has a more "linear" sound compared to the "wall of sound" type of tone you would need for doom.
If you are dead set between these 2, the Uberschall would do the job. But personally I reckon it' not that much of an amp for the money. At that price range you are looking at I reckon you would be way happier with a Soldano Hot Rod (or an used SLO100).

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machineryelf wrote:
very rare i feel the need to post here but maybe you should try looking at a few of Mr.Foxens other posts before acting the high horse prick, the guy has probably forgotten more about amps than you'll ever know . Try looking up the meaning of the word organic as well.
Too many knobs indeed, certainly one too many posting here
might be an idea to look up Laney AOR as well
http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/show ... AOR-series
pretty much sums it up, good enough for Iommi, good enough for doom
Maybe you should justrename this thread 'dumb fuck has too much money'



It seems you just look at my post and just see the word doom.

It clearly says, funeral doom.

Which is very different from obtaining a sabbathesque/sleep/Electric Wizard sound.

I'm asking about those 2 brands because Colosseum used an Engl Powerball and Mournful Congregation used a Bogner Alchemist.
And I absolutely adore the Mournful tone.

So, in essence.
Keep your pointless snide remarks to yourself if you're not going to read the first post.

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godgrinder wrote:
Invader is an awesome amp but probably not what you are looking for. Engl has a more "linear" sound compared to the "wall of sound" type of tone you would need for doom.
If you are dead set between these 2, the Uberschall would do the job. But personally I reckon it' not that much of an amp for the money. At that price range you are looking at I reckon you would be way happier with a Soldano Hot Rod (or an used SLO100).


Of course I've been considering the SLO100. I would prefer to get that out of any other Soldano, but I'm not sure I would want to spend a price so high.

And for the record, I don't have too much money.
I intend to save up for one of these.

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Bogner Alchemist was actually made on behalf by Line 6's Chinese factory so it's a lot cheaper than actual US made Bogner's. It's out of production but you can pick up used ones for very cheap. Keep in mind that it's not really a hi gain amp though, more like a mid gain hard rock amp.

All hi gain Soldano models have the same distortion channel circuitry, but the parts used in SLO100 are a lot better than the other ones. I use a Soldano Hot Rod and it's pretty nice already.

However if you don't have much money a Peavey 6505 or EVH 5150iii would do the job well enough already really. They are also derived from the Soldano design. The EVH would be the better out of the 2 as it has a better clean channel.

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Mr. Foxen wrote:
Looks way too many knobs for stuff that a Laney AOR is ideal for.

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Bossk wrote:
machineryelf wrote:
very rare i feel the need to post here but maybe you should try looking at a few of Mr.Foxens other posts before acting the high horse prick, the guy has probably forgotten more about amps than you'll ever know . Try looking up the meaning of the word organic as well.
Too many knobs indeed, certainly one too many posting here
might be an idea to look up Laney AOR as well
http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/show ... AOR-series
pretty much sums it up, good enough for Iommi, good enough for doom
Maybe you should justrename this thread 'dumb fuck has too much money'



It seems you just look at my post and just see the word doom.

It clearly says, funeral doom.

Which is very different from obtaining a sabbathesque/sleep/Electric Wizard sound.

I'm asking about those 2 brands because Colosseum used an Engl Powerball and Mournful Congregation used a Bogner Alchemist.
And I absolutely adore the Mournful tone.

So, in essence.
Keep your pointless snide remarks to yourself if you're not going to read the first post.


If you think you know better, then why bother asking? You already decided you know too much to actually listen to how the music sounds.

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